Comments on: World of Guildwars http://www.cowslovescake.com/2009/12/world-of-guildwars/ Hardcore Resto Druid & WoW Commentary Wed, 21 Jul 2010 19:39:34 +0100 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.8.4 hourly 1 By: Vandya http://www.cowslovescake.com/2009/12/world-of-guildwars/comment-page-1/#comment-780 Vandya Wed, 06 Jan 2010 15:31:59 +0000 http://www.cowslovescake.com/?p=458#comment-780 We\'ve been flying around in northrend for over a year now, I don\'t mind not seeing the world as much. Also questing and dailies takes you to other zones. And if someone says they never do that, well then raiding you\'d only ever be in icecrown anyways and still never see the game world. Northrend was probably pretty empty already. I\'ve gotten my pug pet, so I\'ve done about 25-30 random dungeons since the feature was released. I\'m a resto druid like yourself with similar gear in a good raid group, I have an elitist jerk attitude most of the time. I have a boomkin offspec. I would get either good groups, or bad groups I could save by healing well with my gear. I think only 1 of my heroics ever went slow. I probably healed over half of these groups in my boomkin spec. I got oculus about 3-4 times. Each time we finished alright, one group I joined for the last boss and sort of saved them. I mean don\'t get me wrong I was probably top dps when healing in boomkin spec but there was no drama, wiping, or overall slowness. In conclusion: as someone with a similar character to yours, I don\'t see a problem with the system (coming from moderate-high experience). Paying for a boomkin offspec keeps boredom away, and makes the runs go much faster. We\’ve been flying around in northrend for over a year now, I don\’t mind not seeing the world as much. Also questing and dailies takes you to other zones. And if someone says they never do that, well then raiding you\’d only ever be in icecrown anyways and still never see the game world. Northrend was probably pretty empty already.

I\’ve gotten my pug pet, so I\’ve done about 25-30 random dungeons since the feature was released. I\’m a resto druid like yourself with similar gear in a good raid group, I have an elitist jerk attitude most of the time. I have a boomkin offspec. I would get either good groups, or bad groups I could save by healing well with my gear. I think only 1 of my heroics ever went slow. I probably healed over half of these groups in my boomkin spec. I got oculus about 3-4 times. Each time we finished alright, one group I joined for the last boss and sort of saved them. I mean don\’t get me wrong I was probably top dps when healing in boomkin spec but there was no drama, wiping, or overall slowness.

In conclusion: as someone with a similar character to yours, I don\’t see a problem with the system (coming from moderate-high experience). Paying for a boomkin offspec keeps boredom away, and makes the runs go much faster.

]]> By: Maple http://www.cowslovescake.com/2009/12/world-of-guildwars/comment-page-1/#comment-778 Maple Wed, 06 Jan 2010 06:28:05 +0000 http://www.cowslovescake.com/?p=458#comment-778 There will always be people who ruin a good thing! LFG is good because of the whole multi-realm thing, but you definitely do get some pricks in your groups. At least they gave us a kick button that will work most of the time - it would be ten time more horrible than no kick button at all. They should definitely shorten that kick time though. You can decide pretty much in the first five-eight minutes whether someone is a dick or not. We had someone today in H VH that went around and skinned all the dragons, even though we had two other skinners in the group. He intentionally stole skins from every single mob, even when I stood by one and waited to loot so someone who hadn't got many skins could get it. He got the boot. There will always be people who ruin a good thing! LFG is good because of the whole multi-realm thing, but you definitely do get some pricks in your groups. At least they gave us a kick button that will work most of the time – it would be ten time more horrible than no kick button at all. They should definitely shorten that kick time though. You can decide pretty much in the first five-eight minutes whether someone is a dick or not.

We had someone today in H VH that went around and skinned all the dragons, even though we had two other skinners in the group. He intentionally stole skins from every single mob, even when I stood by one and waited to loot so someone who hadn’t got many skins could get it. He got the boot.

]]> By: Seca http://www.cowslovescake.com/2009/12/world-of-guildwars/comment-page-1/#comment-776 Seca Tue, 05 Jan 2010 16:17:32 +0000 http://www.cowslovescake.com/?p=458#comment-776 My little warlock alt is probably seeing more of Northrend then ever before. Given the 15 min wait, usually followed by 1 of the dps declining and another 5 min in the queue, the lock\'s getting a good 20 mins of herbing in every day. If you do any dailies or profession work, you\'ll still get fresh air. Porting is more of an issue for lower level characters. Both my priest and paladin have added 10+ levels w/o having left Ironforge. Not seeing the sights in Vanilla is a greater loss then flying past Wyrmrest Temple for the 1000th time. My little warlock alt is probably seeing more of Northrend then ever before. Given the 15 min wait, usually followed by 1 of the dps declining and another 5 min in the queue, the lock\’s getting a good 20 mins of herbing in every day. If you do any dailies or profession work, you\’ll still get fresh air.

Porting is more of an issue for lower level characters. Both my priest and paladin have added 10+ levels w/o having left Ironforge. Not seeing the sights in Vanilla is a greater loss then flying past Wyrmrest Temple for the 1000th time.

]]> By: Cows http://www.cowslovescake.com/2009/12/world-of-guildwars/comment-page-1/#comment-772 Cows Sat, 02 Jan 2010 23:10:40 +0000 http://www.cowslovescake.com/?p=458#comment-772 <blockquote cite="#commentbody-769"> <strong><a href="#comment-769" rel="nofollow">Savagefred</a> :</strong> <P>One thing I just thought of Cows. While it is true that the instant porting into dungeon trivializes the “overworld,” perhaps they plan on implementing bonuses for exploring, such as through the Archaology system. I can imagine them placing artifacts in many hidden places throughout Azeroth. Who knows?</P> </blockquote> This is true, however I can't really comment on the game as it might be in some undisclosed future. But only on as it is now, or at best about short term incoming patch changes etc. Yes they might fix this slightly with cataclysm. Also they did mention that in cata you wouldn't be able to queue for a dungeon you had not yet 'discovered'. Although how exactly one 'discovers' a dungeon is unknown, if it simply requires you to be physically summoned there at least once then that's not much of a requirement.

Savagefred :

One thing I just thought of Cows. While it is true that the instant porting into dungeon trivializes the “overworld,” perhaps they plan on implementing bonuses for exploring, such as through the Archaology system. I can imagine them placing artifacts in many hidden places throughout Azeroth. Who knows?

This is true, however I can’t really comment on the game as it might be in some undisclosed future. But only on as it is now, or at best about short term incoming patch changes etc.

Yes they might fix this slightly with cataclysm. Also they did mention that in cata you wouldn’t be able to queue for a dungeon you had not yet ‘discovered’. Although how exactly one ‘discovers’ a dungeon is unknown, if it simply requires you to be physically summoned there at least once then that’s not much of a requirement.

]]> By: Savagefred http://www.cowslovescake.com/2009/12/world-of-guildwars/comment-page-1/#comment-769 Savagefred Thu, 31 Dec 2009 21:33:53 +0000 http://www.cowslovescake.com/?p=458#comment-769 One thing I just thought of Cows. While it is true that the instant porting into dungeon trivializes the "overworld," perhaps they plan on implementing bonuses for exploring, such as through the Archaology system. I can imagine them placing artifacts in many hidden places throughout Azeroth. Who knows? One thing I just thought of Cows. While it is true that the instant porting into dungeon trivializes the “overworld,” perhaps they plan on implementing bonuses for exploring, such as through the Archaology system. I can imagine them placing artifacts in many hidden places throughout Azeroth. Who knows?

]]> By: Chimy http://www.cowslovescake.com/2009/12/world-of-guildwars/comment-page-1/#comment-759 Chimy Mon, 28 Dec 2009 16:08:23 +0000 http://www.cowslovescake.com/?p=458#comment-759 Yeah, all too true. Not to mention, there's another real problem with not having to fly somewhere to get to a dungeon an that's buffer time. Without a buffer, the dungeon starts, and 1/2 the time, the tank just *goes*. Since we didn't sit around for a few seconds, there was no time to buff everyone and recover the mana, so often buff-healers start at half. Or, since we just started quickly, noone had time to talk about the loot rules so people get pissy if they tend to keep different rules on different servers. I was doing regular heroics as a 75 dk the other day and I got "zOMG it has a little bit of defense, itz a tank ring you can't need on it ur melee dps". Fuckers, an upgrade is an upgrade. We're not doing heroics and I'm not here to gear you... or maybe we should have talked about it before you starting pulling the instance. lol Yeah, all too true. Not to mention, there’s another real problem with not having to fly somewhere to get to a dungeon an that’s buffer time. Without a buffer, the dungeon starts, and 1/2 the time, the tank just *goes*. Since we didn’t sit around for a few seconds, there was no time to buff everyone and recover the mana, so often buff-healers start at half. Or, since we just started quickly, noone had time to talk about the loot rules so people get pissy if they tend to keep different rules on different servers. I was doing regular heroics as a 75 dk the other day and I got “zOMG it has a little bit of defense, itz a tank ring you can’t need on it ur melee dps”. Fuckers, an upgrade is an upgrade. We’re not doing heroics and I’m not here to gear you… or maybe we should have talked about it before you starting pulling the instance. lol

]]> By: Ecofish http://www.cowslovescake.com/2009/12/world-of-guildwars/comment-page-1/#comment-756 Ecofish Sun, 27 Dec 2009 22:31:07 +0000 http://www.cowslovescake.com/?p=458#comment-756 But my point is mostly that I don't think you can possibly get that whilst maintaining that nice, fast emblem-rich run. I'm pretty sure you'll agree that what we have now is the lesser of two evils. For your 5-mans, hit me up any time on Al'akir. I'm a bear druid and I don't mind hitting up some heroic spam with you :) But my point is mostly that I don’t think you can possibly get that whilst maintaining that nice, fast emblem-rich run. I’m pretty sure you’ll agree that what we have now is the lesser of two evils.

For your 5-mans, hit me up any time on Al’akir. I’m a bear druid and I don’t mind hitting up some heroic spam with you :)

]]> By: Cows http://www.cowslovescake.com/2009/12/world-of-guildwars/comment-page-1/#comment-753 Cows Sun, 27 Dec 2009 13:52:41 +0000 http://www.cowslovescake.com/?p=458#comment-753 Yeah I agree with the problem, but I'd have preferred it just ported you to a summoning stone or something outside. I realise the problems with that due to players in the group being on different servers etc, but the current system just creates a world where distances really no longer matter unless you're leveling. And as for grouping with guildies, this mainly came about due to farming emblems on alts + cows for orbs to craft gear for alts etc. While I can get a full guild 5man for the daily no one really wants to farm them unless they're doing it for alts like me :P Yeah I agree with the problem, but I’d have preferred it just ported you to a summoning stone or something outside. I realise the problems with that due to players in the group being on different servers etc, but the current system just creates a world where distances really no longer matter unless you’re leveling.

And as for grouping with guildies, this mainly came about due to farming emblems on alts + cows for orbs to craft gear for alts etc. While I can get a full guild 5man for the daily no one really wants to farm them unless they’re doing it for alts like me :P

]]> By: Ecofish http://www.cowslovescake.com/2009/12/world-of-guildwars/comment-page-1/#comment-752 Ecofish Sun, 27 Dec 2009 07:55:37 +0000 http://www.cowslovescake.com/?p=458#comment-752 I agree with you (mostly) on the downside to a transportation system based on instant-click teleports. It does take the beauty away from Northrend and I can potentially see this becoming a huge problem unless they are bright enough to add massive daily quest hubs outside each instance. However, you can\'t have both cake and pie. That\'s just not realistic. You can\'t have a smooth, instant dungeon system if you have to get five cross-realm players to fly from Dalaran to said instance every time. The ten minute, four emblem Gundrak runs that everyone is praising the system for is simply not gonna happen if you\'re forcing the five to fly to Zul\'Drak -- it\'s not going to happen. For your pseudo-code I\'m really just asking why on earth you\'re not grouping with fellow Apex members? I\'ve only done completely random heroics on very few occasions. I agree with you (mostly) on the downside to a transportation system based on instant-click teleports. It does take the beauty away from Northrend and I can potentially see this becoming a huge problem unless they are bright enough to add massive daily quest hubs outside each instance.

However, you can\’t have both cake and pie. That\’s just not realistic. You can\’t have a smooth, instant dungeon system if you have to get five cross-realm players to fly from Dalaran to said instance every time. The ten minute, four emblem Gundrak runs that everyone is praising the system for is simply not gonna happen if you\’re forcing the five to fly to Zul\’Drak — it\’s not going to happen.

For your pseudo-code I\’m really just asking why on earth you\’re not grouping with fellow Apex members? I\’ve only done completely random heroics on very few occasions.

]]> By: Savagefred http://www.cowslovescake.com/2009/12/world-of-guildwars/comment-page-1/#comment-740 Savagefred Fri, 25 Dec 2009 03:05:18 +0000 http://www.cowslovescake.com/?p=458#comment-740 I can vouch for the Oculus frequency. Got my tree into 4pcT9 by just grinding through heroics using the new tool. Saw Oculus about 10 times, compared to a fat donut for Gundrak. Poor poor Gundrak. I can vouch for the Oculus frequency. Got my tree into 4pcT9 by just grinding through heroics using the new tool. Saw Oculus about 10 times, compared to a fat donut for Gundrak. Poor poor Gundrak.

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